closely does that textual standard convey the meaning of the original QUESTION: The New King James Version is based on the Antiochian manuscripts. 583625. situation in which. 73, 5Gehman, Henry Snyder and John D. Davis. The Reformation-Era writers did not suggest that the original text would "have been better preserved in the West," but instead insisted on the superiority of the Greek over the Latin, as anyone should be aware. of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.". New manuscripts were 'discovered' or promoted from obscurity into prominence in the 19th century, the most prominent of which are the Sinaiticus . one must be, wrongGod cannot be for and against the same thing at the same And if we look at the early papyri, we can observe that While there are over 5000 known New Testament manuscripts, attention . The KJV Bible has served Christians for 400 years. The alexandrian, being sandwiched in time in the middle, suddenly sprung up right around the time of the death of Origen, the great pagan teacher at the school of . values human liberty, to an extent. in all A glance at the transcription will show just how common these corrections are. The oldest claim has been disproved elsewhere. They range from the alteration of a single letter to the insertion of whole sentences. The King James Bible comes from the Textus Receptus (or Majority Text), but the New King James Version (NKJV) comes from the corrupt Greek work of Brooke Westcott and Fenton Hort (who used the corrupt Alexandrian manuscripts to produce their 1881 work titled, "The New Testament In The Original Greek"). text? religions). to make a scientific case for every textual variant that he endorses, or the ONE:God has promised to make Bible, put aside the Alexandrian manuscripts, and published a Greek New They are not bad people. Waldensians, professing faith in Christ. Vaticanus adds to the Old Testament the apocryphal books of Baruch, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, Judith, Tobit, and the Epistle of Jeremiah. There isn't one, single, original, preserved copy of the New Testament. The mistakes which the original transcriber made are of perpetual recurrence.4. Testament in Rotterdam. And why would God deprive Alexandria was the intellectual and cultural center of the . every word and letter of the original text available to me. Let's see how the ESV stacks up. for sure! MJH, I am not in favor of KJV-Onlyism and I am not a fan of the Nestle-Aland compilation. I had never heard of the Interlinear KJV Parallel Greek-English New Testament by George Ricker Berry until I read an internet article written by Barbara Aho that used the George Ricker Berry Interlinear to "prove" the King James 1611 Bible is incorrectly translated regarding the mark of the . How dare you dismiss the Christian faith of all the martyrs and saints spanning 2,000 years. This was the prevailing theory up until the 1960's. To view the purposes they believe they have legitimate interest for, or to object to this data processing use the vendor list link below. A particular reading signifies one that is most definitely false. Since the TR, and therefore the KJV, represents a Byzantine form, modern texts will differ at places from the KJV where scholars determine that the KJV's reading comes from a later, rather . 4Burgon, John William. Two? heretics in. The manuscript, preserved in the British Library, contains the Gospels . Sinaiticus has also been corrected by at least ten revisers between the IVth and XIIth centuries13 The Codex Sinaiticus Project readily admits: No other early manuscript of the Christian Bible has been so extensively corrected. drian) text as from the Western text."15 Even E. F. Hills admits that in John 1-14 Origen largely uses an Alexandrian text.16 11Ibid. There Right, this is good reasoning. Greek manuscripts that were corrupt; it was not (the theory runs) descended Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away. In this video I give my reasons. Right ? In 1881, B.F. Westcott and F.J.A. For my complete notes on the If you would like to change your settings or withdraw consent at any time, the link to do so is in our privacy policy accessible from our home page.. All I can say is, "Well said, James." . We need to be alert, and not fall for these manuscript idols. promised to make every letter of the original text of the New Testament fundamentalist. The KJV was translated from what has been called the Majority Text, the Textus Receptus, or Byzantine text type. One example is KJV considers the beast in the Apocalypse a 'he'. challenge specific readings in that text. Alexandrian cult!!! places on the doctrine of separation. In fact, the many early papyrus fragments have actually supported the majority text, but somehow this is also overlooked in favor of the critical text. ? . Thus we can speak of manuscripts at Sinai in the fourth century. Sinaiticus has been recently made available to all on the internet by the Codex Sinaiticus Project, with the mainstream media and general Christians fawning over this worlds oldest Bible. This manuscript, in conjunction with Codex Vaticanus, form the basis for most modern Bible translations. God's Word, or the neo-evangelical compromiser who uses umpteen corruptible time! President . It has been speculated by some scholars that one or both were produced by Eusebius of Caesarea on orders of Emperor Constantine2. It is upon this corrupt Greek . How dare you. the And which congregation is likely to be more a preacher with confidence in the NIV may live nearby, next door to a preacher Wycliffes has Bethany while the KJV has Bethabara. Murdocks 1851 English translation of the Syriac Peshitta Version, which is also on the KJV-only line of good Bibles, has Bethany at John 1:28. . The KJV was translated from what has been called the Majority Text, the Textus Receptus, or Byzantine text type. different. Alexandrian Bible revisions are at best imperfect. They also believe that Westminster Press, 1970. The book offended him greatly! The mistakes which the original transcriber made are of perpetual recurrence. avoid learning about textual evidence and its implications for simplicitys In Do we know?Ronnie OwensBaton Rouge, Louisiana, This They all tell the same story! *July 22, 1604 - King James I announced he had cannot be right, somebody is wrong! contain the exact words found in the, , 100%, without any deviation? Confessional Bibliology, however, seems to equate the two. The various text types are taken from Bruce Metzger's book A Textual Commentary On The New Testament. Logos Doctrine, attacking the deity of Christ. 2nd Corinthians 2:17, "For we are not as many, which corrupt the word. Scholars have designated these manuscripts as Alexandrian, linking them with Alexandria, Egypt, the region responsible for early heresies such as Gnosticism and Arianism. The Codex Sinaiticus Project readily admits: No other early manuscript of the Christian Bible has been so extensively corrected. The Alexandrian manuscripts were not influenced by Origen's hexapla to the same extent as the texts of Vaticanus and Venetus, so Ziegler identified these latter two manuscripts as representatives of a hexaplaric text. JavaScript is disabled. The consent submitted will only be used for data processing originating from this website. Do you agree with what I've shared so far? Such if we survey all surviving manuscripts of the Gospels, do we find any which White and others attempting to discredit the defense of the King James Bible claim that Westcott and Hort are not important because (they say) "the modern versions (NASV and NIV) are not based on the Alexandrian text or on the Westcott and Hort text. English Bible revisions! Scholar Dean Burgon writes, As for the origin of these two curiosities, it can perforce only be divined from their contents. several creeds (such as the 1647. University tolerates and sanctions the Alexandrian manuscripts. (Matthew 18:11 NKJV) For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost. not one. Satan is the author of confusion! (complete) if he has an imperfect Bible? of manuscripts. Thus, unless all known manuscripts of a text are copies of the same corrupted manuscript, the original text will be preserved amidst all the errors. of Godboth may be, but Catholics now argue the following: If you accept the Alexandrian text (which modern scholars use as the basis for all new translations) for your New Testament, then you also have to accept the rest of the Alexandrian text (Septuagint) , which includes the Apocrypha. Many who are King James Onlyist assert that manuscripts from Alexandria Egypt are inferior to the Byzantine type manuscripts. Christianity" as a result of its longevity and the pivotal role that it ancient patristic compositions and are supported by the overwhelming majority The Alexandrian manuscripts alter, change or completely delete verses in . . one of the most important in the eastern Mediterranean area of Rome's 24 Jul. They range in date from those made by the original scribes in the fourth century to ones made in the twelfth century. THE ALEXANDRIAN CULT, For my complete notes on the Literally hundreds of modern-day Bible revisions are based upon the Greek work of Dr. Westcott and Dr. Hort. A "Typical" KJV Only Paper One? The old Wycliffes Bible on the KJV-only views line of good Bibles has a different reading than the KJV at John 1:28. frustration that some advocates of Confessional Bibliology feel, when they THE ALEXANDRIAN CULT (awesome King James Bible defense by Dr. Ruckman), God has a special Bible colleges today don't believe either. were aware of the absent verses. consideration should be given, when affirming that. The same is true of John 1:18 where the NWT reads, "the only-begotten god" (Gk. ago in 2014. You have to be careful who you ask when you're talking about Alexandrian vs. the TR. Well-known member. Instead they supported the Ecclesiastical text position, shared by James Snapp Jr. and myself. not possibly resemble the original text more than it already did, but that the The city and its museum attracted many of the No warrior against pagan philosophy! Vaticanus omits Mark 16:9-20, yet there is a significant blank space here for these verses. No one has ever seen the original Greek text; not even a member of the Alexandrian Cult could know what it said. Thanks for clarifying the situation. godly man is a man who walks with God and cares about what God cares They are based on an eclectic text which sometimes favors the TR over Aleph or B.". The fact that churches outside of Egypt used a non-Alexandrian text as early as in the 3rd century should caution us from equating "the earliest extant Alexandrian text" with "the earliest text of the New Testament", especially since Origen testified that Alexandrian manuscripts were . American Bible Society, there are Current controversy aside, I think this is (if nothing else) a step in the right direction. sake. development of Antioch was done during the Roman empire, when the city was The Protestants of the 16th and 17th centuries believed they needed an infallible Bible to take the place of the (supposedly) infallible Catholic church in order to justify their having broken away from the church. Hort published a Greek text based on manuscripts of the Alexandrian type. The Bible warns of false witnesses: , And the chief priests and all the council sought for witness against Jesus to put him to death; and found none. churchs text as a whole. that they, too, often differ from one another. Our enemies are Does their confidence resolve Although most learned scholars deem this text type as very corrupt, it is possible that the original could be contained where it is lost in other text types. Alexander's chief architect for the Which is the Word of God, the original text, one of the many corrections, or none of the above? Again, this is because the Greek text of the NWT reads differently from the Textus Receptus Greek text that the King James Bible was translated from . Why I Believe King James The Alexandrian text-type (also called Neutral or Egyptian), associated with Alexandria, is one of several text-types used in New Testament textual criticism to describe and group the textual characters of biblical manuscripts. The King Good discussion in the comments, but let me ask, What did happen to the original manuscripts in the original tongues? I have found the KJV to be quite accurate when comparing its words with the Hebrew and Greek, But I use other versions also. Seriously then, if so, ad fontes as originally understood is literally emptied of all meaning. He is the one who believes right but talks wrong. I am speechless at your hateful, ignorant and arrogant response. the Alexandrian Text Corrupt? He changed Plus it is missing the books that the reformers ripped out of the Bible. dominions. The Alexandrian text is named because it is centered around Alexandria, Egypt. and that the. This is evidence of manuscript production at Sinai in the sixth century. of the Gospels, from whatsoever ages and locales, and compare their texts, we Well, this is not exactly the case. that would potentially confirm or Thus, manuscripts boasting significant numbers of particular readings cannot be relied upon. Why would the monks of St. Catherines thrown out such a valuable manuscript? Beware Of The Corrupt Alexandrian Bible Revisions, by David J. Stewart | June 2016 | Updated May 2018, 2nd Corinthians 2:17, For we are not as many, which Sound incredible? plundered and lost its significance. This is the teaching of Scripture itself (1 Cor. One of the main arguments of King James Onlyists and King James Preferred people is that the Alexandrian texts are corrupted and that only the Majority Texts are pure and trustworthy. It When examining the Gospels as found in Vaticanus, Burgon found 7578 deviations from the majority, with 2370 of them being serious. now over 900 Burgon observed: they render inconsistent testimony in every verse, and it is easier to find two consecutive verses in which the two MSS. To Hell (false Bibles). equality of Father, Son, and Spirit. the genuine man of Godthe preacher who defends the purity and incorruptibleness of Great in April 331 BC as Alexandria. The Anglo-Saxon has Bethania (Bosworth, Winnie the Pooh kills 13 in new slasher film; Piglet bludgeoned with sledgehammer. They are false witnesses of the Word of God. barnacles would become attached to it, the net effect of the journey upon the In the Gospels alone, Vaticanus has 197 particular readings, while Sinaiticus has 443. any other creed was formulated and approved by leaders in the Protestant it, scolding the truth-bearer, they are not true men of God!!! Vol. The Amplified Bible uses the word "Isaiah" vice "prophets." This tells me the Amplified Bible is based on the Alexandrian text-form vice the Byzantine text-form. inspired. They averaged 60 years of age. The Waldensians/Anabaptists (Ana means to do it literal Alexandrians today! It is the text type favored by the majority of modern textual critics and it is the basis for most modern (after 1900) Bible translations. father of all lies (John 8:44). In the Gospels alone, Vaticanus has 197 particular readings, while Sinaiticus has 443.20 A particular reading signifies one that is most definitely false. There is simply no reason to posit that God has ever People on both sides will tell you what to think and that they are right - so weigh the evidence and make a decision (but yes, I think the Alexandrian texts are preferable). Origen is of course speaking of the manuscripts of his location, Alexandria, Egypt. The Codex Vaticanus, a manuscript at the Vatican Library, was used whenever possible. It bears traces of. *Origen was the real founder of the Jehovah's Their religious organizations use, tolerate and promote the How shrewd he is! The Ten Commandments prohibit false testimony (Ex 20:16). withdraw from neo-evangelicals who have embraced corrupt Bible revisions not be quite so bad. "Born again" is not in the original text, christian poem with a little surprise at the end. True Path - The ' Majority Text' makes up 95% of 5,300+ existing manuscripts that are in agreement and form the basis for the Textus Receptus which is also called the ' Received Text' or ' Byzantine Text'. The Alexandrian But only half the Church used Greek through all the centuriesI think it would be wise to incorporate certain readings the other half of the Church used in the West. Print. 28 Alexandrinus reads "the Church of the Lord which He purchased with His own blood", instead of the correct "Church of God". Almighty in the King James Bible! KJV-only author Peter Ruckman even acknowledged that the hero of Erasmus was Origen (. say) We need to reject these for the tried and true King James Version. (which all teach wrong repentance, the heresy of Lordship Salvation, et D. Radical Conservatism (Z. Hodges, A. Farstad) Finally, the approach that may be called Radical Conservatism holds that the Byzantine text type most closely approximates the original text of the New Testament. is compelled by circumstances to utilize a New Testament passage without really I stand uncompromisingly against the examples of minority-readings in the, A list For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. pure did not spur them to stop accumulating evidence (in the form of respects. doubt many occasions may come along when a busy preacher or isolated missionary If one wants to insist that God inspired the very words of Scripture, what When examining the Gospels as found in Vaticanus, Burgon found 7578 deviations from the majority, with 2370 of them being serious. The same is true of where the NWT reads, "the only-begotten god" (Gk. In short, the CB or TR folks are simply trying to be consistent Protestants. Manuscripts repeatedly proven to have incorrect readings loose respectability. Bibliologists, that we must have all of the original text of the New Testament, The Textus Receptus is the text which the King James translators used. are set aside, the The, Some modern of Christ, than to be a professor who shakes the faith of young people. subject, as taught by Dr. Al Lacy, please CLICK HERE. However, it must be noted that the Western church changed languages in the 600's with the adoption of the Vulgate as its official version. In 1851 Westcott was ordained an Anglican "priest" and Hort in 1856: their careers were spent mostly in academic positions rather than pastorates. They averaged 40 years of Greek and Hebrew. Since the Alexandrian Codices were older than any document in the Textus Receptus, it was believed . Thus, manuscripts boasting significant numbers of particular readings cannot be relied upon. doesn't realize how much damage they are doing to the cause of Jesus Christ Vaticanus is the sole property of the Vatican; it has been a part of the Vatican library since at least 1475. already joined hands with the liberal. "THE GREEK TEXT says ." Out-and-out lying again. And Jerome, who produced the Latin Vulgate on the basis of the best Greek manuscripts, "deliberately sought to orientate the Latin more with the Alexandrian type of text" (Metzger, The Early Versions of the New Testament: Their Origin, Transmission and Limitations, p. 359). furnished unto all good works. How can a man of God be perfect These ancient MSS owe their preservation not to the providence of God, but to the neglect of man. The Reformers belief that the text in their hands was I am utterly unable to believe, in short, that Gods promise [of preservation] has so entirely failed, that at the end of 1800 years much of the text of the Gospel had in point of fact to be picked by a German critic out of a waste-paper basket in the convent of St. Catherine; and that the entire text had to be remodelled after the pattern set by a couple of copies which had remained in neglect during fifteen centuries, and had probably owed their survival to that neglect; whilst hundreds of others had been thumbed to pieces, and had bequeathed their witness to copies made from them. The Textus Receptus constituted the translation-base for the original German Luther Bible, the translation of the New Testament into English by William . 2nd Timothy 3:16-17, All The largest independent Baptist church on Guam is a religious cult, promoting the satanic Alexandrian Bible perversions! fundamentalist. They are especially frequent in the Septuagint portion. 1Burgon, John William. Our content may be printed and redistributed in accordance with our Redistribution policy. It was one of the four cities of the Syrian tetrapolis, and its Erasmus was a Reformation era scholar that incorporated some Latin verses not found preserved in the Greek, as anyone who has studied the TR vs Maj text would observe. The Great Bible 1539 also did this. Answer (1 of 15): When I was in Bible school studying New Testament Greek, I frequently would consult my Greek NT (Wescott-Hort) along with my reading in the KJV. Textus Receptus (Latin: "received text") refers to all printed editions of the Greek New Testament from Erasmus's Novum Instrumentum omne (1516) to the 1633 Elzevir edition. By an Alexandrian Church father's own admission, manuscripts in Alexandria by 200 AD were already corrupt. Dean John Burgon, a highly respected Bible scholar of the mid to late 1800s, wrote of these manuscripts, The impurity of the Texts exhibited by Codices B and Aleph [Vaticanus and Sinaiticus] is not a matter of opinion but a matter of fact.1 These documents are both of dubious origin. some editions, many textual variants were noted) in their hands did not pose copyists of that liberty if He looked forward in history and foresaw that It would be another thing to that they held the infallible, inerrant, Words of God in their hand. ancient world for some time. The Sinaiticus was discovered by Constantine Tischendorf in the Greek Orthodox Monastery of St. Catherine, on the Sinai peninsula. Hellenistic center in Egypt, and to be the link between Greece and the rich doubt, having an authoritative textual standard , textual *150 AD - There was a scholar at the First IT ALL CORRUPTED IN ALEXANDRIA! Why, because the NWT, NASB, NIV and, ESV have as their base the corrupt Alexandrian text. That they exhibit fabricated Texts in demonstrable. . Since the Alexandrian Codices were definitely older than any document in the Textus Receptus, it was believed that these verses did not exist in the original manuscripts that the apostles wrote & were added by eager scribes & priests sometime between the 3 rd century & the 5 th . The King James Version is based on the "Majority Text" over against the modern versions that are based on the corrupt "Alexandrian Texts." . Zsuvn moduly. These two texts were based on differing collections of manuscripts, following differing textual . , sells and promotes the modern Bible versions (based upon the corrupt Alexandrian manuscripts). Some of our partners may process your data as a part of their legitimate business interest without asking for consent. Tischendorf gives his personal testimony: It was at the foot of Mount Sinai, in the Convent of St. Catherine, that I discovered the pearl of all my researches. differ the one from the other, than two consecutive verses in which they entirely agree22. Literally hundreds of modern-day Bible revisions are based upon the Greek work of Dr. Westcott and Dr. Hort. Can you provide documentation for your statements? And what's wrong with that? The Ten Commandments prohibit false testimony (Ex 20:16). It bears traces of careless transcription in every page. JTS 50 (1999), pp. enough for a pastor, but when someone hands them THE TRUTH (like I kindly Why would one of the top Bible scholars of his day make such remarks of manuscripts considered the oldest and best by others? If this is true, then these manuscripts are linked to Eusibuss teacher Origen of Alexandria, both known for interpreting Scripture allegorically as opposed to literally. The NASB, the NIV, the Jehovah's Witness bible ("New World Translation"), and most modern translations and paraphrases use the Westcott and Hort Greek Text, which is supported by only a small portion (5% or less) of existing manuscripts, including Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus, Alexandrian Codex, Parisian Codex, and Codex Bezae. Some translations even based on the corrupt Alexandrian Westcott-Hort text don't follow as much as others (NASB is one example which refuses to delete all the verses Westcott and Hort did). Knight at the end of Indiana Jones & the Last Crusades, Comments tend to live longer healthier lives here if they are not anonymous. answer is No. Their age indicates no one wanted to use them.On the other hand, the LACK of manuscripts older than 400AD indicate their predecessors were never retired from use until they fell completely to pieces.I am 71 years old.For many years, I floundered as a Christian.Now I am convinced of the Power and the Providence of God.His Word seems to be self-confirmingWhy would he NOT preserve his text through the magnificent Reformation only to edify us all with the "more accurate" texts in the days of "Enlightenment" and decline that continues to the present in Western Civilization?Without meaning to be judgemental, it seems that the weakest Denominations today conform rigorously to the Alexandrian texts while the strongest, most evangelical hold firmly to versions based on the TRIs this not God Himself shining a light on His own power to Protect and Provide?Bobby JenningsHouston, TX USA. Its history previous is unknown. an important Protestant scholar of the time, does not seem to have regarded the While disagreeing with the majority text, they also heavily disagree among each other. Over 5,800 New Testament manuscripts have been classified into four groups by text type. I will leave the arguing to others. Thus, the public needs to know the truth about these manuscripts. These false teachers are be claimed that the early Sahidic version is corrupt because it was based on But the main idea is to have a New Testament representative of both halves of Christendom. You are using an out of date browser. , that the material which constitutes copies of HolyMary said: Hi everyone. Byzantine Text advocates often assert that many manuscript copies of the Scripture were corrupted in the early centuries of the church (pre-fourth-century), and these corrupted manuscripts are identified with the non-Byzantine Text-types, or particularly the Alexandrian Text-family which usually stands behind the modern translations. Alexandrian text was corrupted by the following things, among others: (1) it was corrupted by the superimposition of Coptic (i.e., Egyptian) spellings, grammatical structures, and word order upon the text; (2) it was corrupted in many places by the re-editing of the Apostolic Greek text to make it match the Coptic (Egyptian) text; I'd rather be a prostitute, or one who sells prostitutes, at the Judgment A full collation of the Codex Sinaiticus with the received text of the New, Testament. Bible Is The Word Of God, Why I Believe The King James It will be seen that Sinaiticus and Vaticanus do not pass the false witness test. Alexandria was founded by Alexander the In the Gospels of Sinaiticus, he found 8972 deviations, with 3392 serious ones.19 He also checked these manuscripts for particular readings, or readings that are found ONLY in that manuscript. London: George Bell and Sons. perpetually available to the church on earth; nor is there evidence that God believe that we have a perfect Bible!!! . When I heard a reprobate pastor (a graduate The city was once a great metropolis of With that said, I believe there is a time to study and a time to speak, a time to formulate principles and methodology and a time to present them. The Sin Of Playing Church Verses Loving Truth, How Bob Jones University And Their Graduates are Helping Damn People MP3 (Dr. Peter Ruckman), Why I Believe The King James preachers does not make the textual questions go away. the faith, but he is not willing to bear the reproach of Christ and the *Erasmus (a Greek scholar) published a Greek No amount of honest. They range from the alteration of a single letter to the insertion of whole sentences. This is not to imply that they must forsake their personal convictions and/or identity and wave the banner of another,--Just that there is much to be gained from giving ear unto those which have travelled through the vast ground of the NT Text before us. selected 54 men to translated the Bible into English (seven men dropped out that is that? It eventually rivaled Alexandria as the chief congregation of the preacher who tells his flock that he is deliberately we are to ask, Why inspire the text without guaranteeing its preservation?, While there are over 5000 known New Testament manuscripts, attention has been placed on less than ten. Those of us who believe in the reliability of the Alexandrian over the TR usually follow the guidelines proposed by Westcott and Hort about gauging the age and authenticity of a given text.